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A down in motion is the dog dropping where he stands while you keep walking - a different behaviour from the down he has, and the first few reps will look like confusion because they are.
Answer
Yes, and the trainers treat it as a separate thing to teach rather than as a harder version of the down you already have. The ordinary down, as dogs learn it, has a hidden extra step: the dog hears the word, comes back to you, and lies down in front of you. A down in motion is the dog dropping where he is, while you keep walking, and staying there. One trainer describes starting to teach it for exactly that reason - so that while he is walking he can put the dog down and hold him where he is. Expect the first few attempts to be confused, and expect it to look like disobedience when it is not. The trainer who works it most says it plainly: most of the time they get confused the first time, because they feel like they are supposed to keep walking with you. Knowing that in advance is the whole trick, because it turns the first failure into a distance problem rather than a refusal. There is a second, named failure that shows up further out. When a dog breaks a down at a real distance, he does not usually wander off - he comes all the way back to you and lies down at your feet. It is the same instinct, and one handler says out loud, before he walks away from his dog to the truck, that this is what he expects and this is why the e-collar is on her - so the down can be reinforced at a distance where a voice will not reach. On that occasion the dog held, and he reported it honestly against the expectation he had just set. Where this is worked on film, it is worked in traffic and on obstacles rather than in a training room: at downtown crosswalks, on trail bridges the dog had balked at, on a nature trail. That is the use. The point of being able to drop a dog where he stands, instead of calling him through whatever is between you, is that sometimes the space between you is a road. What is inferred rather than said: nobody explains why a dog reads a down as an instruction to return. It is reported as what dogs do, twice, by different handlers about different dogs, and it is treated as reliable enough to plan around.
Owner takeaway
Teach it as its own thing rather than expecting it to come free with the down. Walk, ask for the down without stopping, and keep walking. When he comes to you instead and lies down at your feet, that is not disobedience - it is the commonest first response, so put him back where he was and try again from there rather than correcting him for it. Work it where you will actually need it: crossings, doorways, the far side of something you do not want him to come across.
Across the cases
King
King is the dog this is actually built on, across the last three weeks of his program, and it is the only place in the corpus where the behaviour is both explained and then used repeatedly without further comment. The explanation comes on an evening walk and is a single aside: he has been working the down in motion, and most dogs are confused by it the first time because they think they are meant to keep walking with you. The work itself happens where it will be needed - at downtown crosswalks, and on a nature trail where the trainer says outright that he wants to see a good one. The trail session shows the rep failing and being held to: a string of repeated cues and a 'no' before it lands, then praise, then the line that tells you it is a project rather than a finished behaviour - you're gonna have a nice down in motion. And in a session with a second dog present, a down that finally comes out right is named for what it was: the down in motion he was looking for.
But we worked on those crosswalks, so like doing a down in motion versus doing a down like where he has to come around and like down in front of you.
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down down down no down come on okay good boy good job king you're gonna have a nice down in motion
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Bullet
Bullet supplies the reason, and it is given in passing, to somebody else, in a big-box store, in the quietest session in his folder. He had been coming in to the handler on the down - that is what prompts the remark - and the answer is a behaviour rather than a correction: a down in motion, so that while the handler keeps walking he can put the dog down and hold him where he is. It is not worked on camera here. It simply appears as ordinary practice in the walks a week later, never explained again.
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Dolce
Dolce gives the far end of the same idea and the only prediction anyone in the corpus makes about it. Before walking a long way off to the truck, leaving her in a remote Platz with the camera, the handler says what he expects from experience: a dog who breaks a down at distance does not drift, she comes all the way back to you and downs at your feet. That is why the collar is on - not to produce the down, but to reinforce it further out than a voice will carry. Then he reports the result against his own expectation, which is the part worth keeping: she stayed there the whole time, no issues at all.
So, I'm gonna go ahead and walk the rest of the stuff back to the truck.
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Although, normally I've found in my experience that when they get up and they're far away, when you get up and they're far away, they They tend to Come all the way to you and down instead of staying where they're at
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Okay, good girl. So that was actually perfect. She stayed there the whole time. So no issues at all with that. Good girl. Come on
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Source excerpts
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I've been working on his down in motion.
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Because most of the time they get confused the first time I do a down in motion. Because they feel like they're supposed to keep walking with me.
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into a down the other one that i've worked um a lot on is being able to do a down in motion because the difference between the two is like a lot of times when when a dog hears down he will um he'll come to you right and down uh versus downing where you
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But we worked on those crosswalks, so like doing a down in motion versus doing a down like where he has to come around and like down in front of you.
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on like a i just want to see i want to see to it that he has a good down in motion king down
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down down down no down come on okay good boy good job king you're gonna have a nice down in motion
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Although, normally I've found in my experience that when they get up and they're far away, when you get up and they're far away, they They tend to Come all the way to you and down instead of staying where they're at
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but I'm gonna have the e-collar on her so that I can reinforce the plots more far if I need to.
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Okay, good girl. So that was actually perfect. She stayed there the whole time. So no issues at all with that. Good girl. Come on
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How the trainers explain it
The stated mechanism is about what the dog thinks the word means. As dogs learn it, a down carries an implied return: the handler is stationary, the dog is asked to down, and coming in to the handler is part of the picture that got rewarded. So when the handler is moving instead, the dog reads the cue as an instruction to stay with him - "they feel like they're supposed to keep walking with me" (Gmhgqo0ARqI, 06:35) - and when the handler is far away, the dog closes the distance first and downs there (99af-CSVZWY, 11:40). The consequence the trainers draw from this is not a theory but a handling decision: name the failure before the rep, so it reads as a distance problem rather than as refusal, and put an enforcement channel in place that reaches as far as the criterion does. That is the e-collar's stated job here - "so that I can reinforce the plots more far if I need to" (99af-CSVZWY, 11:20) - and it is explicitly not what produces the down. What is inferred rather than said: no one explains why the return got attached to the word in the first place, and no one describes the teaching progression. Two trainers report the same failure mode from experience on two different dogs, which is what makes it worth trusting, but the corpus contains no session that shows a down in motion being taught from scratch.
Questions and answers
What is a down in motion?
It is the dog dropping where he is while you keep walking, and staying there. That sounds like the down you already have, and it is not: most dogs learn the down with you standing in front of them, so coming back to you is quietly built into what they think the word means. The trainer who uses it most draws the distinction directly - a down in motion, as against a down where the dog has to come around and lie down in front of you. He built it into King at downtown crosswalks, which tells you what it is for.
into a down the other one that i've worked um a lot on is being able to do a down in motion because the difference between the two is like a lot of times when when a dog hears down he will um he'll come to you right and down uh versus downing where you
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Why does he come to me instead of lying down where he is?
Because that is what dogs do the first time, and the trainers expect it. The reason given is that the dog thinks he is supposed to keep walking with you - the command arrives while the two of you are moving together, and staying with you is the part of the picture he is confident about. Treat it as confusion rather than as refusal: put him back where he was and ask again from there. The same instinct is what breaks a down at a real distance, where a dog will typically come all the way back to the handler and lie down at his feet rather than drifting off.
Because most of the time they get confused the first time I do a down in motion. Because they feel like they're supposed to keep walking with me.
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Although, normally I've found in my experience that when they get up and they're far away, when you get up and they're far away, they They tend to Come all the way to you and down instead of staying where they're at
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Do I need an e-collar for this?
For the version at arm's length, the sessions show cues, a marker and praise. For the version at a distance - the handler walking right away, out of range of a voice correction - one handler puts the collar on before he leaves and says exactly why: so that he can reinforce the down further out if he needs to. The distinction matters. The collar is not what produces the down; it is what makes the down enforceable at the distance you are asking for. On that occasion he never used it, because the dog held the whole time and he said so.
but I'm gonna have the e-collar on her so that I can reinforce the plots more far if I need to.
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Okay, good girl. So that was actually perfect. She stayed there the whole time. So no issues at all with that. Good girl. Come on
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Where should I practise it?
Where you will need it. In this corpus it is worked on downtown crosswalks, on a nature trail, and on trail bridges the dog had previously balked at - places where being able to stop the dog where he stands is worth more than being able to call him in. That is the argument for the skill in one line: sometimes what is between you and your dog is a road, and the last thing you want is a command that means come through it.
But we worked on those crosswalks, so like doing a down in motion versus doing a down like where he has to come around and like down in front of you.
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on like a i just want to see i want to see to it that he has a good down in motion king down
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Teaching outline
The handler can drop the dog where he stands while continuing to walk, can name the expected failure before the rep, and can tell confusion from refusal when the dog returns instead.
06:21
The skill named and its first-rep failure predicted, in one aside on an evening walk.
30:50
A messy rep on a nature trail - repeated cues, a 'no', then it lands - with the handler calling it a work in progress.
11:09
The distance version: the prediction, the collar decision, the long walk away, and the honest report of the outcome.
Walk the dog on a loose line. Without breaking stride, ask for the down and keep walking. Expect him to come with you or to come to you; that is the predicted first response, not a refusal, so put him back on the spot he was on and repeat from there rather than correcting the return. Build it at short distance first and in a place with a reason - a crossing, a bridge, a doorway. When you take it to a real distance, put the enforcement channel on before you walk away, because a voice will not reach and the failure mode is that he closes the gap. Say out loud, before the rep, what you expect to go wrong, then report what actually happened. (King BTrXx8i5Gl0 and 0Ryn-sQhWK0; Dolce 99af-CSVZWY.)
Correcting the dog for coming to you on the first attempts, which punishes a confusion rather than fixing it.
Stopping walking as you give the cue, which makes it the ordinary down again.
Taking it to a distance with no way to reinforce it there.
Assuming a good down implies a good down in motion.
Using it as a recall - asking the dog to come through the thing you were worried about, rather than to stop short of it.
You ask for a down while walking and your dog trots back and lies down at your feet. Has he disobeyed you? (No. That is the expected first response, and the corpus names it in advance twice. Put him back where he was and ask again from there.)
Common mistakes
Reading the first attempts as disobedience. The dog coming to you and lying down at your feet is the expected first response, not a refusal.
Because most of the time they get confused the first time I do a down in motion. Because they feel like they're supposed to keep walking with me.
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Assuming the down you already have will hold at a distance. It is the same word and a different behaviour, and it fails in a specific, predictable way.
Although, normally I've found in my experience that when they get up and they're far away, when you get up and they're far away, they They tend to Come all the way to you and down instead of staying where they're at
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Asking for it at a distance with nothing that can reach the dog. The handler in this corpus puts the collar on before he walks away, and says that is what it is for.
but I'm gonna have the e-collar on her so that I can reinforce the plots more far if I need to.
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What to notice
You say 'down' and he trots back to you first and then lies down at your feet.
But we worked on those crosswalks, so like doing a down in motion versus doing a down like where he has to come around and like down in front of you.
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He is off across a car park or a road from you and your only tool is a recall - which means calling him through the thing you are worried about.
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His down holds while you are next to him and falls apart as soon as you are far enough away that your voice does not carry.
Although, normally I've found in my experience that when they get up and they're far away, when you get up and they're far away, they They tend to Come all the way to you and down instead of staying where they're at
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Trainer notes
Treat it as a distinct behaviour with its own reps, not as a proofing step on the down. Predicted first-rep failure: the dog reads the cue as 'keep walking with me' and either continues or comes in and downs in front of you (Gmhgqo0ARqI 06:26). Predicted distance failure: the dog closes the whole distance and downs at your feet rather than drifting or wandering (99af-CSVZWY 11:27). Both are worth saying aloud before the rep - it is what makes the failure legible to an owner as a distance problem rather than as defiance, and it is what the corpus's two most useful passages on this concept actually are. Cue: the dog's ordinary down word in all three cases, including the German Platz on the protection dog; no separate command appears anywhere. Enforcement: at arm's length, repeated cues, an error marker and praise, with the rep held to rather than abandoned (BTrXx8i5Gl0 30:50). At distance, the e-collar is fitted before the handler leaves, and its stated role is reinforcing the position further out than a voice reaches - not producing it (99af-CSVZWY 11:19). Venue: build it where it will be spent. In the corpus that is downtown crosswalks, a nature trail, and trail bridges the dog had balked at - all of them places where stopping the dog short is worth more than calling him through. Reporting: the Dolce session is the model for how to narrate it - state the expectation, run the rep, and say plainly when the dog beats the expectation. Gap to close: no session in this corpus teaches it from scratch, so there is no house progression on film to point a new handler at.
Equipment context
E-collar
Fitted before the handler walks out of voice range, so a remote down can be reinforced at the distance being asked for. Stated explicitly as reinforcement rather than as the means of producing the command.
but I'm gonna have the e-collar on her so that I can reinforce the plots more far if I need to.
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The camera, as the handler's proxy
Left with the dog while the handler walks away, which is how the remote down is documented at all.
I'm gonna leave her here with the camera.
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Settings
Candidate clips
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Although, normally I've found in my experience that when they get up and they're far away, when you get up and they're far away, they They tend to Come all the way to you and down instead of staying where they're at
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down down down no down come on okay good boy good job king you're gonna have a nice down in motion
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Source moments
Case story beats
Dolce
A handler sets up a remote down, tells the camera exactly how he expects it to go wrong, walks all the way to the truck with an armful of gear, comes back, and reports that the dog beat his expectation. Ninety seconds, a prediction, and an honest scoreline.
Although, normally I've found in my experience that when they get up and they're far away, when you get up and they're far away, they They tend to Come all the way to you and down instead of staying where they're at
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Okay, good girl. So that was actually perfect. She stayed there the whole time. So no issues at all with that. Good girl. Come on
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Bullet
In the aisle of a sporting-goods shop, a trainer notices his dog coming in to him on the down, and explains to someone he has bumped into why he started teaching something else instead. The most useful sentence about this skill in the whole corpus is said to a stranger, off-hand, in the quietest session in the folder.
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Questions for intake
When you say 'down', does the dog lie down where he is, or does he come to you first? Most owners have never noticed which, and it is the whole of this concept.
Is there anywhere on your normal walk where you would need to stop the dog rather than call him - a road, a car park, a gate, a bridge?
How far away can the dog be and still do what you ask? The number, if the family has one, is the starting criterion.
Has the dog ever broken a stay at a distance, and what did he do - come back to you, or go somewhere else? The corpus predicts the first, and a family that has seen the second is worth listening to.
Still to establish
How is it taught? Every session in the corpus either explains why it exists or shows it being cued and proofed. No session shows the progression from a dog who does not have it to a dog who does.
Is a separate cue used, or the same word in a different posture? All three dogs use the ordinary down word - 'down', and 'Platz' for the protection dog - so the dog is apparently expected to read the context rather than a second command. Nobody says so.
Where did the observation come from that a dog breaking a distant down returns to the handler? Two handlers state it independently, both from experience. It is the kind of claim that could be checked against the footage of every remote down in the corpus, and has not been.
Bullet is said to have been taught it in late May and it appears as ordinary practice in his June walks, but no session shows it being worked. Was it taught off camera?
Does the confusion the trainers predict fade with the second or third rep, or does it need its own block of work? King's file suggests weeks rather than reps, but nothing states it.
Source limitations
Speaker identity is unrecoverable in all six sessions. Each 'who' above is a role plus whatever exclusions the Tier 1 note could establish.
Bullet's Pk82Gd1MwLw carries the low-confidence marker across the whole passage, 13:41 to 14:04. The claim does not rest on it alone: the same behaviour is named and explained independently on King, in high-confidence cues.
Dolce's 99af-CSVZWY renders 'Platz' as 'plots' and the passage at 11:27-11:40 contains a stutter the transcript preserves twice ('when they get up and they're far away, when you get up and they're far away'). It is quoted as it stands rather than tidied.
King's 0Ryn-sQhWK0 carries the low-confidence marker at 03:21, immediately before the down-in-motion passage; the passage itself, from 03:26, does not.
Gmhgqo0ARqI's cue at 06:38, immediately after this passage, contains what appears to be unrelated audio bleed including contact details. It is noted as existing and is not quoted.
The two central quotes here - Gmhgqo0ARqI 06:26 and 99af-CSVZWY 11:27 - are joined from adjacent cues, as protocol rule 2 permits. Both files break into cues of six or seven words through those passages, so no eight-word span of either quote sits on a single transcript line; they were checked against the dump with whitespace normalised.
No duration place hold under protocol rule 13 bears on this concept. The long near-silent recordings in this corpus are place work; none of them shows or discusses a down in motion, so none is counted here.
Connected library collections
These links follow eligible video assignments in the reviewed library. A source can feature more than one animal; the older research-folder name is not used to merge identities.